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November 3rd
November 3rd

Episode · 4 months ago

ISRAEL SUPPORTER AND PRO-PALESTINE DISCUSSION

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

In this episode, we invite two guest speakers to give their two cents on the new conflict that has arisen between Israel and Palestine 

You see, kids and watching theirfathers be like killed by a missile strike right in front of them. They're,like mothers like being like, homeless and like starvingto death like what would you do in that situation like? Would you not be pissedlike you? have no education, like the only thing you have left is hammockslike the only thing you have left is like anger to the Israeli state andthen what and then like your brothers and sisters are killed like right infront of you and, like you can't do anything, so you shoot like a couplethousand missiles just to be intercepted by the iron, don't and literally, no hope for a future likewhat else do you expect them to do like they have nothing either Liz Jaman? My Name is RohillaMed here with mic, Oho Deon Con, and you listen to the third edition of theNovember third podcast hello. So today, tensions between Israel, a flared uponce more after raid on Mash Lapsa, the discuntur Palestinians through rocksthat Israeli police, as a form of protest against the forceful evictionsof Palestinians from their homes. In the shake Jarro province on the WestBank is really please shot Robert Bullets and tear rescinds inside themosque. Now this attack especially resonated with the world's Muslimpopulation because of the T it was an attack on the third holy set to Muslimsand the rate took place a few days before I evilia, which celebrates theend of Amalon. So today we want to take a few minutes to discuss this conflictand history surrounding it and how to possibly address it. But since me andreveal seem to agree on this topic and in hopes of canceling out any biasesthat we may have, we decided to invite two of my friends to give theiropinions on the topic and to give us a new perspective on this conflict withme, I have a Joe Farol from Massachusetts and Ellie Mulligan fromNYC. So how are the both? Are You doing today? Well, I'm pretty good right Ewell to start off. I just wantyou to to give us a little background about yourselves and if you have anyfriends or family in Israel or the surrounding area. Well, yeah is outside yeah. I'm a I'm a Jew and I have quite a fewfriends in Israel. Actually, I think I have at least like thirty, thirty or fortyfriends that are currently in Israel, and you know I all my family has beento Israel and their birthright. I was actually going to go to Israel this last January, but because of a topic will probably get into later, Iwasn't able to go, and you know like I've. I've talked to a bunch of formerIDA in you know the assault forces, the intelligence forces and special ABS andI've kind of gotten to know you like Israel through that, through thataspect M and Joe, I am a Catholic who's, never been toIsrael. Nor do I know anyone directly who's been to Israel, nice NACE andreveal well. My last name is a May and I'mBrown. So I think that should tell enough about went by the seas on thetopic yeah. I realize okay well now that weknow a little bit more about each other. Why didn't you give us our initialthoughts about the CONFI, starting with Ellis than really throw me Ivga? I youknow my my politics really at the end of the day. I just don't be, and Ithink in this case am I allowed, I'm allowed to say that right, I will justbloop it out. Okay, I think at the the end of the end ofthe day, you know both the Israelis and the Palestinians are not being the bestneighbors to each other, and so you know I'm not in support of being a badperson, so any steps that can be taken towardsmaking people happier and and more content with, what's going on, I'd, bewilling to to take those steps, an Yo, I not a big fan of Israel, they mistreatthe Palestinians, they treat the Palestinians horribly and they have for a while, and I don't really support Hamas, but Iunderstand where they're coming from and I just think it's lame to killpeople, cool, rehallow, okay, very many level,headed people here, so I'm just going to throw out a randomopinion. I I back come off and Hesbaa completely abig, so we'll probably get that into...

...that later, but yeah something fun: Okay, Eli, okay, real a well personally. I think that at the end ofthe day is real deserves a nation. We've gone past, the point where weknow long where you can say that Israel does not have the right to resist.There's almost three generations: e Israelis living in Israel right now.The Palestinians have almost five or six generations of people that can identify asPalestinians. So I think both of them deserve their own nations and I thinkthere should be peace right. So we I want to just read the room anddoes everyone know about the shaky Jara situation that something right now? Yes, I kind of had a quick question. Iwould I be put on some sort of Muson watch list because I just said Isupport a assineboin. I think that Termeni have a huge mistake. Okay, I'm not going to walk back my previousstatement, but let it be known, I have not a part of a mass, so please did notassassinate me in my sleep. Please I don't think he fakis that much, no, notthat a Malsain America they most side has actually have had ahistory assassinating with anyone anywhere. So if you look historicallyand like you know, the Nazi defectors in Argentina, Argentina would notextradite not to sympathizes. So Mousa came up with a way to go in toArgentina, get the Nazi sympathizes and bring them back to Israel and get themexecuted a Yeya. They have biliong anywhere in the world there to. Let me this for your part of the prisonprogram right, I think yeah. So it's Cora yeah this word. I actually don't think it is becausethe prison program I mean you, can I'm sorry, I'm sure youcan search it up that I, after I found out about the prison program. I lookedto see if this Corde was on it and I don't think it was on that lie, but Imight be wrong m all right. Does everyone about theShankara situation in the settlements? Is it the bull dozing, the Peltin that but in Shikar yea and the fortaleviction of five families, I believe it was and yeah does everyone know aboutall Aksa in this room? Yeah, it's one of the holes? Okay, sopretty much alois one of like the holy sides, not only for Muslims buttechnically I also really holy set could choose and I'm pretty sure itChristians as well and pretty much anywhere in Jerusalem is but this sitemore specifically so yeah yeah and the mosque that is neighboringthat Temple Mount was rated by Israel, police and that's what sort of God IssSenso this Antica puffle. Currently the death toll is much higherfor people in Gaza and he was spanked than it is for his release Bob againstmore detail about that later. Okay, so the truly understand the gravity ofthe situation. I think we need to take a look at the historical context ofthis conflict and the religious contents now Elius as a Jew. What doyou know about the religious importance of Kanan? As it's called? You know it's it's the home of of youknow all all the Abrahamic religions, or you know, at least at least in someaspect. So I think you know for a lot of people, it's areturn to home and it's very important because it's where the beginning is-and it's like where the center should be, and what it's like a home base for,for both you know, Muslims and and Jews, and also Christians and Kathi er thing sales were pushed out so longago that they don't even care anymore yeah. That is true. Catholics do notcare, so we just have Rome. Actually, I'mpretty sure there is a very significant Armenian Christian, Oh yeah, injury,yea. No, no they're fills what is the importance of Jerusalem to Jewishpopulation. Well, it's where we made our stand. You know so we had. Wefought off so many people in Jerusalem. You know you have thewhaling wall, which ISS t e the only...

...remaining piece of that of the temple.You know, we've are our story. You know our story of Hanukah is like our temple got destroyed. Our onlytemple got destroyed. Let's make this oil last then it's the only oil we have,like all all to his stories, really come from like there. You know after wefound Jerusalem all our Jewish stories. Are. You know everything that you readin a tour is like? Oh crap or oh shoot. Someone attacked us. We lost everything.Let's rebuild this again so like this is. This is something that we've youknow always ad and we've always invested in, and we want to keep oninvesting our life and our faith into Jerusalem, because it's just such a big.It's such a big part of who we are you know it's like it's something that Idon't think you can ever ask any do to give up so and Joe as a Catholic yourself. Doyou know of the religious importance of Jusem two Catholics and Christians andthat's kind of where Jesus did all and also flip when people are selling stuff in thetemple, and then s temple on the mount. That's that the ride broke out lastyear weeks ago, yeah won Trus, isn't a huge thing other than you know Easter, and whatnot? In the Christian in the New Testament, you know it's just kind ofwhere Jesus hangs out some of the time. That's a good yeah and the tour covers everythingthat happens in the Old Testament. So I there's not a lot to add really no as a Muslim itself region, obviouslyhouses the Mustela and the holy shrine also know this Temple Mount of theChristians and the Jews. It's really secret to us for the many, the samereason that as it is to sacred as it is sacred to the other religions of thebook, being the questions and the Jews and the sides or believe they're calledwere hell. You have anything on Yeah. Also in many traditional readings ofthe Koran is technically the place where Mohammed ascended to heaven. Wellnow I want to talk a little bit about the geopolitical aspect of thisconflict. Well, let me just give a quick little run out of that history.So, throughout their years the region has obviously switched had many timesand for some place at y Sake, I'm going to start the pseudo timeline at thePersian empire, the Persians to the region for the Babylonians, the Aleenof the great to the Empire from the Persians people tell make. An dentistthen took the region from the Macedonians the Romans to the region.From the Patalam Dynasty, then the Jews in the state revolted and establishedSyria Palestina. Then the Romans took it again following the collapse of theRoman Empire, the Businesse them part of the rings of the region. Afterwards,the Persians got conquered it once again, and then the business teamsreconquered the region once more. The assassin is a KA. The Iranians took theregion, but it was quickly retaken by the Byzantines, then the Muslim empiredto the region and four hundred years later in ten seventy three, the Turkstook control of the region. Then the Crusades happened and then the mom lookempire secured the region for two hundred years. In fifteen seventeen,the Ottoman Turk sees the region and held it until a collapsed after WorldWar. One Be British, took control of the region, and now after World War,two they let it go and the UN decided the fate of the region. Now, as you cansee, the history is quite complicated and then we had one thousand ninehundred and forty eight war, the six, as were the intafere twanty fourteenclasses and a number of other wars, uprisings and conflicts that I'mleaving out of the antipathes. You know I blame the Treaty of Versifor everything yeah, I being the Brits for everything then like they are alleverything the in the I. I think I think the end of the day, real asprobably the most to play in all of this historical drive. Ye Yes rahill was there reseal was wasdestroying the temples Yahaha, the one that the s into themosque yeah we're case playing both sets wereapparently a little ten he'll sack the city with like whatever crusade yeah. Was it thethird that actually got? There was a third yeah yeah? I don't know. Okay Rot Way S. I was prettyinteresting yeah the chosen cause tennis like storm Jews and all- I guess, the first crusade they actuallyanyways.

They did not. They did according toWikipedia well siege. It was besieged by the yeah, but they all died. Yea. Everyoneelse died people on the Crusades of Christiansand all the people in between all right well to get back on topic, no, so back track in a little bit in onethousand, nine hundred and sixty seven after the six day, war is real, nearlydoubled in size as they occupied much of the Sini Peninsula and the West Bank.The Israelis were calling a legal gray area. Technically, Israel owned thelands, but the UN did not agree with that sentiment. While all of this wasgoing on, Zionist settlers saw this as an opportunity to simply move into theland they felt they deserved before you do that. Go back to forty. Eight yeah go back to fortyeight well. This was called the NAKPA right in Arabic. That means a tragedy, soPalestinians, and also do this- is that time period. This is that time period. I'm sorry! Ithought you were talking about the acquisition. The is rally acquisitionof Palestine in line. I was talking about one thousand nine hundred andsixty seven half of the sixties, more okay, yeah they when they got the sin,a penisola and the West think I can't believe you had the whole Syniepeninsula for like six years, yeah, it's pretty taking so as desert,there's nothing there, but it's impression, like even Egypt, right nowas a day that time to sign I peninsula, because, like the Muslim Brotherhoodand like all the terrorist organizations, have like a great timehiding there. So that's me the re, the best one of the main reasons why theyblew up the tunnel toward the guys on strip, because they were afraid thatHamas would spread to Egypt and they that's why they decide to buceleuch. Isaid Yeah all right! Well, yeah! No, that's! That's still, absolutely a fear.You know like they're. Still, they still have forces on the other side ofthe of this trip that like go in and find tunnels and and destroying- and Iknow because I have I like I've- talked to people who have been in thosetunnels m. How do you talk to these people? Is itthrough grots or whatever? No, no. Well, I have a very a very strongJewish community and we have you know we have people come in, comefrom Israel and you know they'll talk about. You know how long they servedwhat they did right, because everyone you know work,it was like everyone in Israel's been in the army is yeah. No, it's you knowit's completely mandated, so everyone has a story resting and they're all alittle bit different, which is very cool m. So yeah, you know, design is moved in into thesecommunities. These resulted in clashes between Palestine, civilians andsettlers and evict ID ave got involved, which are resulted in hunters andpolicy and that's bonable. So Ellie is what your thought on settlers andsettlements in general on Palestinian settlements or design ofsettlements. I have no I've. No problem with SinesSettlements, I think the presence of a Jewish state is super important to theJewish race. You know, but should that be at the cost of Palestinian likehomes, because you see the Shaara evictions, there is they're kickingthese people out of their homes. Now, no, no. As a settlement, I see that's that's where the grey areain my in my logical, because I understood how how I understand howthat happened, and I understand that there was a therewas a Palestinian majority and you know, and the Jews were were actually likerealistically in the same or similar position as the one they were in they're, the one that the Palestiniansare now, but you know I it other than like having aroute for my own team. I think I think that the the fact that a Jewish settlementexists, you know is, is super important, no matter of the size, I'm not a fan ofhow it came to be, but I think if, if it wasn't that way, it wouldn't havehappened at all. I mean I really. I wanted to mentionsomething here. There were many other propositions for Jutula at a similartime like this, so there was Onen n o...

...got you Gondo that they propose andthere's also one in Siberia. It just happened about the British, wanted tomake the one I can in for Palestine or so that's the way we end up. I mean if you, if you tell a kid that they can get a candyBar, provided the store right next to them, or the store threehundred miles away. They're, probably going to choose this store right nextto it's just yeah, but me is in the separate er anthe cost of other people, I'm not what what I'm trying to say is I'm not forthat. But I'm saying if that had happened, there wouldn't be a holyJewish settlement which is y? U, like that's that'sundeniable. You can't say that, like Oh, you know, it still would have existed.Realism, man, yeah re imperialist and you know, like the other thing, is realistically likethis. Is You know this? Is the Middle Eastthere's a hell of a lot of war and obviously this land has changedends. So many times so it was something that's going tohappen. It was going to happen and it's going to happen again and now what about these? My settlement?I think I meant these communities that are beingestablished in the West Bank. What are your opinion on those the ones that are currently beingestablished? Yeah, I'm absolutely against them. I think we're on the same page, yeahyeah. No. I like I like it's one thing. First of all, like after the Six DayWar or actually doing you had the driving out of many Palestinians,despite Jushe Mesori Palestinian majority, and you know they went to allthe other count. The neighboring countries, which you know wereinevitably diffused by Israel, but I think well that that's important to knowbecause that's a that's a major, almost black, a e like ste, you know I just soAgua no yeah, it's Rootin for the home team,but ye what team in I I don't know to werethe third party, Joe Oiyes. I am I'm not against. I think it'sbeing a dead course right and I think there's these. The problem is, you know, the Middle East is ravishedby poverty and so of even even in Israel. Despite youknow, it's military advancements, and possibly because of its militaryadvancement. You have these really really poor communities, and I knowbecause I've like I've talked to people from these communities and they'recompletely for for taking over this land, because youdemolish Palestinian homes, and then you build these. You know these Jewishdated communities and it's it's cheap, and you know these these people, you know it's what theylook forward to. You know it's like what they work for. What they live foris just to live in this subsidized community. There was a legally acquiredland and you know I'm not I'm not for the illegal acquisition of anything,especially when it involves taking someone else's land, because I thinkyou know that's a major part of history, but it doesn't mean it's a good part ofhistory. That's a very fair opinion. Joe. Do you want to give us? Your ThirdParty Opinion Third Party opinion on sign as settlements. I think it's dumb.I think it's imperialism which I'm not a huge fan of, because it just forts US inflict, and you know, exaggeratednationalism. You see that in Ireland still today see that in Israel. ClearlyI mean when people are four settler: homes and people are raise their homes and put up a nicegated community. It sucks for the people who got kicked out because theydon't have anywhere to go or if they do, if somewhere, to get aplace to go yep well, not as switch focus away light.Oh, I ses all right, so existence of the settlements like and further sosettlements being created is pretty much really important to existence of thisreally straight state because, like Israel, needs to create some sort of maconous ethno stake to stay alive,like that, their main goal is, is to...

...push out the Palestinians because theyneed it to live so like in Erse they're, coming from close or like at any yeahlike with, like a flick of a matchit like her entire thing could comecrashing down like it's bad, like people sit like like a fanthasia reallypopulation are, is really Arabs but like even within Israel, like it'sdifficult to gauge, who was loyal and who is not so it's better for Israel,push out less settlers to game more land and to press Palestinians war tosecure themselves like it's just something that they have to do it's outof necessity, it's not out of pure evil or whatever, but it's just somethingthat has to be done before them that well I mean I yeah it's nationalism. I think I think,there's a tad bit of evil in it. I think there's a little bit of malice,there's a little bit of malice, there's a little bit of you know vengeance. Ido actually think that it's not it's not necessary, I mean any any imperialgovernment or any you know, overly nationalistic government. Like you know,ours here requires the acquisition of new land, because that's just it's just like a anorganism, feeding itself and kind of growing. So I don't. I don't think it's entirely.I think it is in part out of the necessity, but I also think you knowit's just Israelis being it or not. Sorry, not being good people. Look at Israel's occupation of the goalon heights right now do they need to know, but it's a very critical, situ,very quica position in the geography of the area, because it's so flat it'd beeasy for any opposing country. Tanrade from there see Syria or Hesba fromLebanon, so they're occupying the area right now, just for their own GEpolitical game and what I'm trying to drive at is like. Does Israel or the USactually care about terrorism or like Islamic fundamentalism? No, they don't,if like they actually did, they will like they would have. They would havecared like far earlier, but the only thing that really matters ever is justself gain and like just go politics and a yeah to touch out your points aboutlike do these nations to really care about like terrorism. Look War isprofitable. That's the bottom line and that's why I think there is a head, anagenda to drag out this conflict as much as they can. No, absolutely that'sended HIVAL, but I s yeah. I don't want to cut off for him, but I mean I don'twant to put you off Tom, but I like to talk about re heals, the occupation ofgo on. I think you know, that's that's a safety measure. You know Israel have been man as aswhat at the at the cost of the people wholive there but, like you, know, you're being put in a situation where you havea country in freaking turmoil. You know it's. The the birthplace of one of the lie can easily sutilis those farmersthat are forming in that line, but no they choose to outright. Take it a Yo. Would you try teh? Would you notsay, as is protecting the Palestinian state like a lot of people, to say if Iwas Goin, all right? Okay, okay, let me finish my like a elope say: If Israellaid down their arms, Israel would not exist. If pastia's laid down their armsto Palestine, there would be peace right. So that's like one of like thebig things statements that a lot of people make. What I believe is Palestinians did laydown their arm. Look at what happened to the West think, but the West Bank laid down their armsafter the second into fite right, like the PLO like they have like some waterdown form of a security service that works with IDA. Now what ended uphappening? The West Bank is about to be nx by Israel, like they have they'relosing every sense of sovereignty that they had before if they had not laiddown their arms and if they kept fighting regardless of. HoweverDemocratic they seemed, they would still have their own date, whether itbe absolutely bumped to hell. Who knows,but my point is like Hamas doesn't exist like out of like nothing likethere's, a reason why he moss is around and Israel existing is one of the maincountry being factors to there being a...

...mask. So that's just what I wanted towork. Well, yeah I mean Moss is an anti Israel terroristorganization and absolutely you know he ma would not exist withoutIsrael. I don't agree with. You know that that quote that you used, I mean I know. I know it was a new saying. I know you were going it, butif calamy done their arms, but I do think that you know, given the the the atrocitiesof last week and the amount of rockets fired, I think that you know Israel isin a much more or carious position if they were to or would be in a much moreproquet position if they were to, you know, decide take it easy and approach Middle Eastern conflict with theconflict with a lase, fair attitude. I also do agree with you that, like you,can't have Palestinians deciding that the they'regoing to let Israel take the wheel, because I do agree that you do have you know the creation of new Jewishsettlements. That's completely encroaching on their land, but you know the other. The other thingto know is like this. This is a war and it's hard it'shard to be. You know, thinking on both sides andit's a lot easier to think one side, so I'm just trying to advocate both both sides. So if anyone disagrees withme on anything yeah, I'm I'm open minded so well. I would just like to add to youknow Hamas existing because of Israel is that histories were invented by the victors,and if Hamas were too miraculously overthrow the government of Israel,they would they wouldn't be seen as terras should be seen, his freedomfighters and they're still probably seeing freniers by the Palestinian People Yore. Absolutely thehousing and people have elected the Hamal into office, not a lot O. I don'tknow I like that yeah, but they have look. You know they have literally.They have literally elected them, which technic by definition, makes Palestineand Terris State. Well, I won't I it's like to, like Austria electing to betaken by the Nazis and one thousand nine hundred and thirty eight, no, it'selectin with like an actual data, credit election. It it's it's I you know. I can't. I can't speak tothe the fairness of Palestinian elections,so does that make a higher election? Is that reflect the actual opinions of thefousand people? It doesn't, I think, well without the information, Ican't tell you if it does, it doesn't, but I think you know you have so many pastin agreeing withwhat her masses do. Okay, but like what else would you have them do like? Whatother approach can Palestinian people take like what look at what happened tofather and like the PLO in the West Bank, like their governance, is prettymuch just dominated by you could or like the idea like they have no selfautonomy, like they may say: Oh we're going to prosecute Israelfor them doing this or them doing that, but they have no power to do any ofthat. Like it like, Israel's government is taking steps to anes the west makeand they literally can't do anything about it so like what are they as to dolike what other options are there? Are they supposed to go to the UN? The UNalready declared like half the things as real deserts illegal, but thatdoesn't change anything like the US. Well, the UN, the UNs. Just you want tosee you and I lumpy's yeah, the UN C. U Y! I like I used to bully the kids who did modelyou in. I guess, like the thing is as long asthe US supports Israel, there's never going to be any meaning for ground.Taken till I know it. We we got to the real right but yeah. Well, the US is afreaking super parent and it's like one of the two great military by Er by thethree yeah we'll get to that so closes off. Myopinion, is, I don't agree with homos. I don't know I agree with like theircause, but I don't agree with their methods. They could easily take adiplomatic approach. They're, not okay! That's the bottom line. WAIT: okay, butyeah I mean a mass, a terrorist organization. So, like guys all right,I want to say a couple things about him as before I doo it like a to that right.We benefits from I on Ettie. Hamas is...

...nothing but like another chest piece inthe chest. Word of politics for them right, like Israel, does not want topanic the guys a strait like they could have done that, like twenty times overby now the GUS strips, I know they keep it there. EGANTE could have taken farmore significant steps against some us by now, but nay. Now, who, when likeanyone in power in this Rali government, has a reason to keep on as around likelook like look. What happened like it's, not a new thing for how mas like launch a thousand rockets in, and thenIsrael retaliates and then both sides declare victory. Like is just a way forthe Israeli government to show that they're actually doing something to thepeople, because we'll say that a mass didn't exist and they started slowly anis annexing past inyama and, like then one there'd be far more internal strifeand it would be far more work, not in Miesto. I just agree with with theannexation of Palestinian land. I think that there wouldn't be any internalstrife. The question is: Once you reach the you know, once you reach the sea,then then you start to have problems with. What am I going to do like what?What is this country going to do? What are we doing here? Also, Israel has all the Arab states tobuy the balls like. Let's look at you dit, for example, like one carefullyplaced missile into like a dam on the Nile River, you could screw up likethirty to fifty million people in Egypt easily. So that's why, like Egypt, hasrecognized Israel for a while and has mediated peace tucks for like the past few decades? Now, let's lookat Saudi Arabia. Both Israel and Saudi Arabia have a shared ally in Americaand a shared enemy in Iran. So, while South Arabia may not recognize Israelofficially as a state like they've, been working a lot behind the seats, sothere's that yeah, I want to end this incesto right here. I want to switchyears to another top it sort of like the piggy back off of it. What we justtalked about right, so I want to focus on the two biggest parties in thisconflict. First off the Israeli government Pereny, this government isheaded by the former ID special forces operative, Benjamin it Toleho. He hasbeen reelected five times and has come under heavery scrutiny for allegationsof bribery and other crimes. Arabs and Muslims within Israel are one of themost marginalized and oppressed groups in the world. According to varioussources. According to one study, it was found that the money spent on theeducation of Jewish children was three times in much. The amount spent on Arabchildren on the West Bank. There have been numerous instances of misuse oflethal force and brutality, and Gaza bombings are routinely carried out indense neighborhoods, resulting in the deaths of Palestine civilians. Now theIsraeli government claims that these casualties are a result of Hamas usingcivilians as human shields. So I want to hear some of your thoughts on thesestrikes that are being carried out by Israel and then we'll get into somemore nuances. Well, I well, okay, so on the ham onthe subject of a mass using civilians as a shield like the Goo stripped, ishalf the size of Chicago with the same population like I don't see where amoss would have military basis separate from Civilan installations, and it'snot like Tom OSS is telling hey Israel. We have missiles in this school arelike whatever, like its Israel's prerogative to completeair strikes wherever and they know where civilians are and where childrenare like. Sixty people do not die by accident. I just want to put that outthat M. No, I absolutely agree, and you know I'm not, I'm not a fan of bombing schools whenyou have other methods or you can wait, but I also want to point out thatentering a school is is a Mansa's decision. You know it's not it's not aquestion of like hey. Should we like? Should we go somewhere else? We couldwe recoup in somewhere that's less tensely populated that won't affect ourpopulation, or should we run into a freaking school building while classesin session and hope that they don't execute, which you know it's evil on both sides?You know you have you have that mind set, and then you also have theone of the Israelis who are like yeah. Let's, let's send it in. Let's putpunch it, but you know a like is a new, as is why are inIsrael using methods that minimize collateral? There are no methods,public methods that are meant to take outonly one person. I mean, for example,the Rix missal right yeah, it is...

...it's quoted. Someone said that you caneasily you can target the passenger of the vehicle and not hurt the driver atall and, secondly, why aren't they injecting special forces teams to takecare of these conical insulations? Let me tell you why they prioritize Israelilives more than they do Arab lives in my no absolutely yeah? No, no itdoesn't. It doesn't even have to be an opinion thing. It's that's latently.True, you know for for ever Israeli that died.Ten Palestinians died, you know is more than that man. It was in that insane,like nine Israelis, died in hundreds nose, twenty four and two hundred fortyright now. I think it's over one hand and then it's seventy, for these reliesand then one that, oh, my God, it's three hundred or so for the West Bankthere's over a thousand and Gaza seventy a three hundred in Westbank. I did not, I didn't know something allthe one, I'm pretty sure wow. Okay, I thought it was Jeez. Okay, it's nextmislest gasfire Tis! Wait! Now I was talking about last week's conflict, aYeatton fourteen, including all of these, I think, I'm pretty sure aboutthat yeah. I was just talking about so N B C says: Sixty five people were killed on in the Israelibombardment, which doesn't sound right. Okay, more than two hundred people have beenwounded in Israel, where there're been more than three hundred Palestiniansinjured. I think deaths are skewed though yeah. No, I mean you can't. You can'texpect anyone to correctly report their numbers yeah, it's all words yeah yeah. No, I mean it's like it'seffectively. You Thor you're, asking China to report, How many peopleactually died from Ovid or I'm not learn concentration camps, yeah or howthey feel about the Muslim population, all right or not doing well wikipedia.So, on the Israeli side, there have been eleven sibilants killed, the one soldier wounded and about onedead from rides and stuff on the Gaza Strip that have been two hundred fortyeight civilians in miltons field. Nineteen hundred people wounded, acouple thousand people made homeless and well in the entire conflict revealyeah, two thousand and twenty one conflict. So Fun ye that sound. Thatsounds like what I read last week. That's not true, because you had a you had that that one driver got killedfrom a rocket hit him squaring the chest. So Oh Israel yeah there have beeneleven civilians. Israeli killed this yeah, but he an he was a. He was a. Hewas an idea: Yeah Yeah Yeah. He said that as well. Oh really, one I killed three soldierswounded, okay, so yeah I mean I read, I read twenty four, but I guess Imean yeah. I read twenty four, but yeah anyways a meral yeah. No, it's it's hard! You know all right.So my question is: How do you expect the kind these kinds of things tohappen and not expect Palestinians to be radicale, like what other approachesdo they have left like what diplomatic methods like and there's really nothing else forthem to do like you see, kids and watching their fathers be like killedby a missile strike right in front of them. They're, like mothers like being like, homeless and like starvingto death like what would you do in that situation? Like would you not be pissedlike you? have no education, like the only thing you have left is hammocks,but the only thing you have left is like anger to the Israeli state andthen what and then like your brothers and sisters are killed like right infront of you and, like you can't do anything, so you shoot like a couplethousand missiles just to be intercepted by the iron, don't and literally, no hope for a future likewhat else do you expect them to do like they have nothing? There's two millionpeople living in a place. The size of Delaware and Delaware in the UnitedStates has a population of nine hundred thousand. How do you think that affectsthis entire do inflict? So it's literally an open air prison is whatit's terrible. They can't know it's it's water reverrions that are notenough to live on yeah. I don't know how the food situation is there, butIsrael dumps all their garbage into the ocean next to them. So it's not likethey have an escaper up that way. It's well T T, that's that so entirely true,but I know I do. I do definitely think...

...that it's completely problematic. It'slike the you know, like the US's report on the the warn attain say, is like youshoot one terrorist and two of his buddies joined a a it's yeah. No, Imean it's it's it's just the you know it's thetrope of a Middle Eastern warfare you're just going to have you know moreand more people joining a cause. It's cut off ahead and into more grow. Soit's like it's just a terrible situation. Yeah now you're in aposition where you just your band, have bloodshed and in terms of like Islamic,like radicalist and that kind of stuff like if you look on the scale ofhistory. This is like a relatively new thing. I'm not saying Islam has been.Oh, no, no, no, absolutely ilaria! Ization is completely new. Youknow Islam used to be like the center of Technology, mathematics andliterature for for the world, yea e used. No, it wasn't just the ORFA. Itwas also from like they was also hack around. What like sixteen hundreds,yeah yeah, he then imperialism happened and they broke the region by splittingit up and uneven fortunes like current situation is yeah and then theSoviet Union, the United States, further destabilize it with the Mohadiand the Soviet F Gan War and all that stuff. That is true. Yes, so you know the the end goal ofPalestinians is to have you know to have their own separatestate, and you know for some that means taking control of the entirety ofIsrael, but for others that just means likegaining back a fraction of their land or a D, and for I guess, the theyoungest who haven't lived through most of his conflict. It's just to live in peace, and sothey've asked for her they've claimed Easterley as there as the metropolis oftheir future civilization. It's neither askednor claimed it is theirs. It's supposed to be there. It has been there for likethe past fifty five decades, it's like it only it is really land. Not is Imean you can't you can't have you can't? Have the Ottoman still saying that theland that was conquered and taken from them even en not not the other? If youwant to go by legal terms, the UN did agree that the JUSEM should be split.It at Jerusalem was split, yeah got to O yeah, no, no, no Houthe UN. Alsobecause you know I don't what I regret began to you, anyeah, the UN, not a close this sucession off and move on to the SecondParty Tomas. So Hamas is a group Basin Smash, my God, Okay Yeah. How, as is agroup based in Gaza, that call for the outright destruction and genocide ofIsrael and its citizens? They care out lock in attempts that deliberatelytarget is rally neighborhoods during the first and second in the fathersthey carried out suicide bombings and the allegedly to this. Today theyoperate a network of tunnels that house militants and munitions in two thousandand seven they seize power of Gaza and I remain the governing power to thisday. So they didn't cease party reelected into park yeah and they werelike Ye, but how Torito Pastin Ans, including those in the West Bank, butFata, took power and they've been postponing elections ever since,because they're afraid that Hamas might win elections in the West big as wellso yeah, weird yeah, I mean ses power, also me just takingit so thinkin I mean, I think, there's an important distinction because, likewe've already addressed is I think you know you have a situation where so muchof the Palestinian population, or so many patesis agree with what Hamas isdoing right. So you have you have the popular vote of the people that you'rerepresenting, so I think you know, given the fact that there are electionsheld, I wouldn't think it. You know unlikely that Amos and leaders andHamas would be ethically and democratically elected into. You know these offices, so I just want to since I don't reallyknow much about Hamas. I just wanted to know who exactlysupplies unition and supplies to Hamas, the Tarien Yeah, the guitar government,but the the other thing is...

...technically. The US for, for this roundof rockets, did supply dimunition, didn't supply the munitionsand supplied the money to buy the munitions in the iron on. That's you, United States andPalestinian technology, or is really technology. I say not Palestine yeahnow, but I'm talking about like the like the actual rockets yeah. Thatwould know the hundred fifty million dollars given for vaccinations yeah toPalestine, but turn out to be used in other in other uses in other methods.Yeah. I know no one's vaccinated all right. Well, we really have anyquestions in we ask about homos, Oh yeah, so I understand how Amos maybe problematic, and that is definitely an understatement, but there's a reasonwhy they are so popular and I'm just going to reiterate that again like if you leave people with no optionthey're going to be left with desperation and choose the worstpossible things like it's, not normal, for people to be willing to a side bombinto buses like it's, not a normal thing. So you have to question thesystem that made such things possible in the first place, not just the factthat these things are happening. Well, yeah. I mean I agree with that. I think you know withwith you know the first and second upheavalsof of Hama and the pasting a government you did have. You did have suicide bombings and youdo have you know this radicalist ion, but I would like to remind you that thefirst one was simply because the prime minister I visited what was the name of the Camp DavidCorse. Was it something else? I can't? I cannot remember the name of themosque. He visited, Oh, I he's visited a mask and people saw that is disrespectful, so Imean there was already. You know, obviously discontent given the what had happenedtwenty years before, but that was the first. The first recorded our first major example of youknow Palestinian discontent and rebelling, and also one thing I want to mentionlike I don't think camas would be nearly as popular if the situation inGaza was better because even under Amastra Kasa has been absolutely so.There is gone yeah like if Israel had just opened it up more forinternational aid and actually allowed people in to make a difference andchange and not absolutely lock them away. Then maybe we would see progress,but the fact of the matter is Israel is trying its best to occupy and preventthe Palestinians from getting any sense of sovereignty or any sort of power orany sort of leverage in any way, economical or militarily. So I don'tthink we're going to see a resolution to this problem and, like theymentioned it's in this lally politicians best interest to keep on USaround as they may be a small nuisance. I don't think a mass is an existentialthreat to the Israeli state who look like Hamas is what at most fiftythousand to a hundred thousand strong in terms of Melitene like the Israelimilitary will definitely outnumber the Hamas and not only will they outnumberthem. They'll have way better technology, so the casualty rates willjust be off the charts, like I don't think ha mask. Could it in if itselfcould actually destroy Israel, and I don't think any of Israel's neighborsno longer have the inclination to this role, Israel either. So it's just horrible situation of politics that Idon't think it's going to change any time soon and to shift years now, withthe advent of social media and mass media, it's no easier than ever tocirculate footage of bombings and in direct and interactions with by Def.However, it also serves an echo chamber and results in the polarization ofconflicts. The news media also pay a very big role in delivering coveragethat people in other nations. I want to hear your thoughts on the role of asocial media and the news media in this conflict. You know on Instar, I don't follow a lot of Muslims becauseI live in Massachusetts and there might be one or two in the whole state also. But that said, it's all been anti...

Israel for the most part. Unless it's you knowa Jew like a couple of friends that have you know it's all just the same stuffand it's never really productive. It's never really something that makes you think it'sjust like. Oh this party is bad. This party good, you know with de Sionistson my instar feed they're like Hamas, is bad. The ID F is a good and then Oh. I know that. Thank you for tellingexactly as a it's more like the Palestinians or bout is really good. isthe t really want to make that distinction? You know yeah a lot of situations yeah and thenyou know. On the other hand, you've got IDs bad Hamas good, which is just you know. True. I can't I can't supporteither of those ideas, but there's a surprising amount of people that doreally. I don't think violence is the answer in this situation. The funnything is like the people advocate for it at most about social media. Is it'sa little while easier to spread in forah yeah random host, so it makes ita lot easier for people to be like stupidly, anti Semitic for like nofreaking reason like this just dumb. It's like, I, don't think the averageAmerican has the capability to actually understand this conflict, to a way thatit would do it justice. So I'm not saying that people shouldn't care, I'mjust saying that people shouldn't be posting on social media before fullyunderstanding the whole con. The whole thing, because a lot of people reallyhave no idea, what's actually going on and are just taking things for facevalue, and it's not really that easy to get educated on this topic because,like where? Would you really learn from like every single, like media source?has its own biases, like you, can't learn from like Algezira or like rt,but you can't really learn from American media either so like what arepeople supposed to do? Honestly, some American medias pretty good like thetimes they're liberal, but they're, pretty solid on international stuffyeah. Now the times is really really good. The at as well sociates yeah, yes, Esi, don't know if anyone have seenthis on their feeds or on like stories on instar there's like a video of mutilated, dead,children being certainly being like circular or on. I want to ask this. Iaccomplish anything, it does images. I carry a lot of information like there's a reason thatthe Holocaust memorial museum is ninety percent images, because reading something doesn't showyou that horrors of it. You know I don't knowthe context of the image other than there's dead to be delated bodies, butthat, as an impact on people I mean o yeah at least what is it a yeah now I think I think images areabsolutely. I think the Holocaust Museum is a comrade example of that because you know like were were wereanimals and we have instincts and we care about. You know the people who who are no longer witness, because that's a luxury that we haveand we're always going to. You know at least in some way feel bad about. You know someonenot no longer having that opportunity or you know having their life takenfrom them. So I think I think you know in that sense it's absolutely important, and it's also just disgusting. It'slike horrific to look at and it just makes you not want you know. Whateveris going on any more to stop like you can look at. You know, Napalm chargedbodies in Vietnam and think you know we shouldn't have gotten the war andViatka is on to look at from me. So shemaiah you can look at the burns fromhere. Is Human Note Sake you can look up, I mean you can look at. You knowlike a girl who lost your leg in Afghanistan because the land mind whennot and think wow. That's that's horrific, but you know going back to the original question which I'm now forgetting I'm sorry the roleof social median. US me, the COPLIK. Is it yes or gay, Yeah Yeah. I know social media completelycontri butes to Polizia, because the...

...fact of the matter is there's so manythings going on there's so many apograph ics you can have- and you knowlike, even if you just show a video of one thing, there's a video of anotherthing that supports the other side. You know, and so if people are only showingone thing or they're taught to believe one thing by you know the people theyidolize like, for example, El Hadeed posted something like all the Rael allJews living in Israel or something or like horrific or something like. Firstof all, that's antisemitic is, and you know it goes against my politicsbecause she's being an y yeah, so you have you have like this kind of thesponsorship of these conflicts by you know celebrities, and you also have theflooding social media with gum, tricking, infar to say, hues, theamount of people that did this today. Here's the amount of people that dothat today and like the fact of the matter, is there isn't information onthis like there's not going to be precise information on that, and youknow you have you have people who just a aren't entirely honest. Much likeIsrael and Palestine aren't honest with their casualties, like Israel claimedthat they killed two hundred and forty a mass combatants during those bombings.Just how many of those were supile question yeah, I know a two year oldgirl could be a Amasomi, but he learned something new every day and I yeahbroke if she's in the school she's in with within six feet of her masscombatant. That just like, promotes her. That's why social distancing is a thingman, exactly ud, say six feet away. No, I mean I do obviously I'm totallyagainst the killing of children in any CETAIT, except for you know the the yes, please explain her the ones the ones in Africa when Africawas going through its trouble times yea as sole yeah. No, because a kid withthe gun is still a kid with a gun, yeah wait. Are you emphasizing the kid orthe gun part on emphasizing the kid part? Becausethat's no? No, I think the guns, the important and deciding factor, but Ithink you know I e Du. No, I mean you had you have theshooting in the shooting of the the two black menby a seventeen year old. Are you going to say that? That's that that's a kidwith the gun, man you're, going to say that he he shouldn't be on my kids withguns. I think we mean like four and twelve years wet it's a it's a for yourdifferent, the seventeen year old shooting. Some people is different than a six year old,getting shot up because he might ave er the wrong place. THAT'S THE WRONG TIME! o Yeah, I mean. Are we talking aboutthe kid that died in California? I was talking about Cowerin how suit broughtthe air fifteen to the bell and protests shot to people? No, no, I knowyeah I mean you shall I go who's hold in Malta, but no the yeah. That's ithold different story at the other topic. Yes, other topic, I yeah yeah, sorryenough to a rhela anything to add to the entire soframed a thing yeah. I feel like it's a lot easier to spread negative poststhan positive ones, and that's why a lot of social media have look negativefeed, bad groups. If you look on Tick Tock, you feel like one negative post.It's just like the rest of. It is just going to be angry, fear or said tosaucer, like the e studies done, like human brains are more receptive tothose emotions and positive ones. So it's easier to spread, fear and hatethan it is if you're, like educated than it, is to spread education andlike coll, some stuff in general. So it's easier to radicalized and changepeople's mind. If you say hey, you should hate this group of people orthis group of people did this or you should be afraid of these people, so insocial media just makes it easier to do all of that, and I believe that thisjust worse as a whole, for the conflict and for the spread of information yeahbut revealed you. I agree with you on the fact on what you said about, likehate. Social May just play a big role in instant amizin hate, but I don't agreewith you on the positive and native thing. What is positive about thisconflict? You know, I feel, like the negatives are important. No, I didn't.I sibou the Timotheei never said that...

...there were positive about the conflict.I'm just saying it's easier to spread negative commutated things than it isto spread just neutrally or positively connotated things. So just a post aboutinformation or a new story won't trend as much as a post with just like you. The US is back in me, Israel,Carlyle, because I feel that just emboldens them further to just dowhatever they want, because, like Israel and Palestine will only makepeace when they have no one else to turn to, and they have no other optionsand they just have to live amongst themselves. But like that's, just notthe situation right now, because right now, the US: Woe back to Israel, nomatter what, in like the UN t, they block the cease fire like threedifferent times. So like what do you think is going to happen like we saidbillions of dollars in like unrecruited aid for like no need to pay back likeevery single year? So I feel if the US played it more responsibly and stopshowing such a huge favoritism toward Israel, maybe would actually getsomewhere in peace talks and obviously have any propositions inhow to lead you solve it. Well, I think it's a difficult topic and you can't really, you knowsolve it on a discord call at eleven o'clock at night. That's no! But Yeah! I as much as I you know. I don't think anyone wants to give upland, especially Israelis. A part gives the nail for it the yeah they've. Youknow, there's been a lot of blood shit over it. There's been a lot oftechnological and weapons development over it and they're a very proud people,and they should be because they've done, you know, they've created a Jewishstate in unentreated point of ignorance all right well topose that off. That's about it! Not! I move on to foreign nations, it'sokay, yeah! I just wanted to cut this short a little bit. We've been talking for a little bit, Oyeah, all right, so last topic for nations. So it's clearly evident thatforeign nations play a very big role, is cofet. The US sends over three point:Four billion dollars each year in eight to Israel, which is a real spense, mostly onenhancing some military power and technology. A League all fifty fourIslamic nations have convened this path past month to discuss how to addressthe conflict and have condemned Israel Israel's handling of these conflicts.So what do we think about foreign involvements in the colterinternational condemnation and actually funding billions of dollars like twocompletely in very different things? Yeah? Okay, so I always be real here,like none of these Muslim nations, have the balls to actually do anythingtowards Israel and fat sticking on yeah; definitely definitely not yeah and likee, like some countries like Saudi Arabia, out like outright co operatingwith Israel because of shared enemies that can mentioned like Iran. So Idon't, I don't think, like Palestine has much in the way of internationalsupport like like a bunch of like activists in the US. Is it much in waysof foreign support. Meanwhile, if you look at Israel, they have backing fromlike the most powerful country in the world, so I feel like it's. The US isresponsibility to actually do something towards a peaceful resolution, becausewe've done anything but that up until now- and it's not like the US- has nocapabilities to do such things, but if we have the ability to send billions ofdollars in taxpayer dollars over to like a state like unconditionally, Ifeel we have the ability to make the lasting peace in that area area a sothat we don't have to worry about it ever again. But it's the thing is it'snot in the US's best interest to do that, so I feel like it's never goingto happen and we're going to be in a sex, dropping a cycle of this conflictand it's just an unfortunate fact of man. We I mean instead of sendingpeople for a billion to fun bombs. Why don't we divulge those funds into USaid? One of the biggest United States faced humanitarian organisms that thegovernment owned. It doesn't help people instead of kill people rightElles s on in that's a great idea. You can I givemoney to government aid, so I can be...

...with held to advance political methods of advanced political policiesof presidents. Now I think I think, at the end of theday, you can't you can't have Muslim nations orIslamic nations judging as a Jewish state. You know it was just there's toomuch bias, so I you know, but what I want toinvolve as long a people as do they not have a right, Tis or something, but Iknow I think they are absolutely do. But much like I have a bias. You know they also have a bias. So Ithink you know you can say all these horriblethat you can say, there's been a trast which you know in some regard. There'sthere's definitely been foul play. I don't think there's been anything on aon such a horrific and grand scale, as some people claim, but I think I thinkabsolutely like this. This isn't going to be solved, but just the Palestiniansand Israelis, without with both sides walking away. So I think you know, O outside influence is going to helpthis, but I also think you know condemnation does nothing and I thinkrehealing in that a mat you can. You can say what you want, but like yeah it there was. They tried to dosomething about it and I think, just about everyone lost land, so a yeah toclarify what I said about US aid. There's a humanitarian organizationowned by the. U S, government called the US aid and they do quite a lotactually with whatever spoils they get in Gaza. I mean they full the fundingfood stamp program. A voluntary food step program that were as a subsidywith is with excuse, Gaza, small business, and you know it helps a lot.The class. That's what I said. Yeah sorry. I Miss I miss her you, as inlike Usato at yeah, an a sorry because I was I was just thinking about thatthe trump Ukraine phone call yeah all right any closing thoughts on thisentire situation. Well, yeah yeah as you go first andthen no no or you can go first real to show all right. So I was just going to end up sayingthere isn't much we on a random podcast and a discord call, but do at the endof the day it's going to be solely up to the politicians that actually havethe party do ses things and unfortunately I believe that at the endof the day, they won't do much of anything, as has been happening for thepast by decades. So the little we can do as normal citizens. I believe weshould and that's disseminating information and actually telling peoplethe way things are, and hopefully one day things will change, but yeahsigning of the oniah joy nything. He sucks man yeah, that's fair, bad!All Right! Well, thank you at least in Joe for coming on. Thank you to theaudience for listening and I hope everyone sees safe and healthy I'll seeall in the next one good bye. I.

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