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In this episode we cover the growing tensions between Ukraine and Russia, the ramifications of these aggressions and how the situation may develop. Police reform and accountability, and the current COVID situation
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November 3rd EP. 2: Russo-Ukraine Tensions, Police Reform, COVID
ABOUT THIS EPISODE
In this episode we cover the growing tensions between Ukraine and Russia, the ramifications of these aggressions and how the situation may develop. Police reform and accountability, and the current COVID situation
There, Ladies and Gentlemen, my name is Reggio mad here with Daion Khan, and you're listening to the second edition of the November third podcast. Hello. Well, first topic being Russia and Ukraine. Now, over the past month, tensions at the Ukraine Russian border have been quite high. A civil least put in, as expressed intentions to launch a full scale invasion into Ukraine, where heal? Now, I'm R exactly educate on the issue, so can just tell me, like why is Russia trying to invade Ukraine, or was trying to invade Ukraine? Well, for the most part you could see Russia's power in general Geo politics declining in the past few decades, ever since the followed the Soviet Union. So you could see this in most eastern European countries. They're facing the demographic crash, or there isn't enough kids being born to replace the original population, and many people, especially educated people, are leaving the country to go to western Europe, so places like Germany and France. So see, the acquisition of Ukraine back in two thousand and fourteen added a whole million people to the Russian population, and not only that, there's a show of force to show that Russia still has a strength to be a major player and Road Geo politics. Right. But why Ukraine? Like what is the tactical importance of Ukraine? Is like a natural resource of you don't really you know of is the Black Sea, or is there anything else to it? Well, if you look at you create on a map, specifically an elevation map, you could see that it's just flat planes. That makes it really easy to invade places like Russia. If you go back to World War II, Ermany, instead of going all up from Moscow, they put a lot of the forces to going so to go through southern Russia and the caucuses, because that's where most of Russia, Russia's natural resources, such as oil, comes from. So it's important for them to put space in between those natural resources and the western powers so they make it as secure as possible. So now why is Russia taking more direct approach by deliberately stating that they will put their troops, uniform troops, into Ukraine l two thousand and fifteen, where we saw a contractors and and other really black ops, sort of off the books type of soldiers. If you look at it recently, Europe as a whole as an entity has been weakening. So you see that with bregs it see that with countries like Germany having very low military spending and trying to completely go isolation. is done their foreign policy. So Russia smells weakness and they see, after the trump administration, that America is no longer allied itself with its European friends. So going on smellyall weakness a funny way to put it. Yeah, well, what do you think are the implications for the future that Russia, with Russia's aggressions? Do you believe that they're going to show aggression other places, such as the Baltics? Really, I think Russia's going to go where, you know, Russian seas fit, like you said, the smell weakness. That's a good way to put it. Do I think that the international community is going to really care about Ukraine? Not yet, until Russia shows that they will really invade, run invade Ukraine. I really don't think that this is. This Warren's a, you know, a Neto response. Also, you see that Ukraine has been trying to join NATO for a good bit now and it might actually happen within the new near future. So what do you think this would show to Russia and the rest of the world in terms of NATO and European and American involvement in the I...
...mean Russia has their own alliances with bricks. That's Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. So actually the thing is bricks is more of an economic align so I'm pretty sure the Indians and the Chinese hate each other in terms of GM politics. It doesn't really have much to do with military and also, South Africa is also in the Commonwealth of Nation so I don't really think it's mostly am it's mostly an economic alliance. I don't Understi the South Africa's military prowess. I mean they Maye okay, but but, yeah, like I said, they're in the Commonwealth of the nation, so they're aligned with the UK and most the western world. Yeah, well, NATO now, I mean it's more like a deterrent. The turned to who? Oh yeah, well, that's the thing. Russia in general, as I've mentioned before, geopolitical strength has been declining in the past few years. They are no longer the second pre eminent global power. Has Now gone to China, who also has incursions of their self. China see and over Taiwan. So you could see that they're trying to desperately stay relevant and world politics, and we'll see if that's successful. Yeah, yeah, I'm going back to NATO though. Like NATO's inception was taccas as a turn to the communist thread in the Cold War right. So really now I think it's a deterrent against China and Russia. So any nation to join NATO will now, and now America has an excuse to launch a full military response to rather than go through the UN and then get permission, you know. Well, you see, NATO stands from North Allangic Treaty Organization and at this point I doubt Western Europe cares much about China. In fact, China's one of their biggest trading partners. Of the own new people will really opposed to Chinese expansion is now the Americans, the Indians, the Australians and other people, and the Japanese. So you could see that with the Quad alligance that's starting up now between America, India and and Australia. So you see that America is probably one of the main driving factors behind preventing the spread of Chinese influence but otherwise I'm pretty sure China has done well in terms of foreign policy and see that the Belton Road Initiative are heading a lot of allies in the future from places like after from like many developing nations in places like Africa, South Asia, the Middle East right and you see, these places are going to become far more prevalent in the future with the foreseeable population booms. So China is a very export driven at China has a very export driven economy, so they need to sell things to people. And China's never been a great naval power. That's been the US. So the Belton road initiative is a way for China to have land routes to major future markets and hopefully, I mean well, hopefully for them it's going to succeed. Although going back to the Russian Ukraine situation off so in twenty teen we over the see saw how devastating the conflict between the supper to some the Ukraine was. What do you do? Thing that the people really want Russian control, or do you think that they're happy with Ukraine, with Ukrainian government, that is this win? No, well, the thing is eastern Ukraine and western Ukraine are two completely different places. So western Ukraine is far more Western the line and looks to joint things such as the EU and NATO, whereas eastern Ukraine still has a very large Russian speaking and ethnically Russian population. You can see that was crimy and many of them rejoiced when the Russian troops well evaded. And you see, like the places in like the done x republic, also has a majority Russian population. And the...
...thing is Russia has already distributed Russian passports in these places. It was going to be really difficult to integrated back into Ukraine. If the situation is ever solved, I think the Russians would prefer, you call it, stabilizing the region rather than invading, just like America likes to liberate places right. So you see, the thing is the Russian goal isn't actually to annex these separatists, because they would have done that a while ago, and fact the separates do want to be annexed into a Russian Federation. But the thing is Russia and loss these Russia does want a peaceful solution, but they do want these zones to game or autonomy in the Ukrainian government and thus have more Russian influence in Ukraine, which would be a net win for them, because they know at a full scale invasion of Ukraine is not only going to be very costly in terms of Russian lives but as well as the Russian economy because of Western stinctions. So they're trying to it's smart right now and not a close off on the Russian Ukraine discussion of do you think in the event, in the unlikely event, hopefully I'm likely event, that Russian invaise Ukraine, do you think it'll be good for Ukraine? Do you think it'll be good for that region of Europe? Why will? I don't see how an invasion of that area it would be beneficial. Nothing invasion stuff right, if rush, if you know, lay down their arms and whatever form of good will. No, I doubt any sort of invasion or any sort of military involvement is good for anyone, regardless of where they are or whether they went or not, because if you look in the paste many years, we've lived in a period of a long piece. So yeah, there have been civil wars and there have been wars between meaningless nations and there have been wars between great powers and smaller powers, but there's never really been like a great war and I feel like we should keep this long peace going and any sort of elevated conflict would be bad for the world as a whole. And the a word takes place. I absolutely but let me not refreeze that question. Say. Would you, crane, be better off as a part of Russia rather than being its own state? I don't think it would be a better Ukraine would be a better off as a part of Russia, because I'm again a big proponent of self governance. So the Ukrainian people in the Russian people are two completely different things and you could see that. And like even during the USS are many of the communist republics had some sense of off autonomy. So I feel that the end of the day, it'd be better if, you pain is governed by a Ukrainians and Russia is governed by Russians. NOPE, I I wholeheartedly agree with you. All right. So now shifting gears over to domestic news. So we've seen a number of high profile police incidents and it's judging just these past four months now, one of the most polarizing instance that has happened recently was the shooting of sixteen year old mckeia Bryant. So we're here. What is your opinion on the mckeabrank shooting? All Day one like a very clinical answer, but I believe that this is a tragedy that should never happened and I feel like this is marvelous systematic problem and one that's just in this video. As you've mentioned, there has been a lot of these police shooting cases like the past five hundred and ten, twenty years. Oh. I feel that it should be addressed on a larger scale, on a federal lay level, from police reform and change in training and that kind of stuff.
May people have been claiming that the officer should have used the Taser. You'll there should have been even a social worker on there and then the entire striation would have been deceited diffused. Right. That's what I'm saying, but that's what other people are claiming. Right. So what do you think about that? Do you think? Well, I disagree with those people because, like, if you look at the video, it all unfolded over like period of like ten seconds, ten fifteen, twenty seconds, and it like Oh, what by so quick? It's very difficult properly think of what to do in a situation like that. Like yeah, leaving. Like me watching the video, like I couldn't fully comprehend what was do, all was going on after watching like two, three times. Oh, like they had to put yourself in the officers shoes. Here, like one girls on the ground having her head kicked in, and then there's another girl pinned to the car about to get stabbed. So like, what do you do? Oh, believe in this case most officers are trained to put up the count and shoot eliminate the threat. Because the thing is, the officer did get the call and in this case he did not know who was a perfect called. From his point of view, that seems the person who called about being bullied is the one who's about to get stabbed. Yeah, so he had to make like a literal split second decision on what to do, because that could have been the difference between someone getting stabbed to death and knows what else. Now, moving on what's recently, we've seen the indictment and the result of the George Floyd and their sheld in case. What do you think that? What do you think the outcome of that tribe? I think that outcome wascessary and justice was served. The thing is it does nothing to actually solve the problem, larger problem at and because they're like hundreds of Derek shriwans and hundreds of joys George Floyd's in the US. So there are many cases that are going to be swept under the rug by the Blue Wall of like officers not even before reporting their other officers. That severe start. Wait, what was the question? What is your opinion on the George Floyd case outcome? So I believe that the outcome was justified and justice was served, but thing is, we have to look at it from a different perspective. While justice was served, it really did not do anything or the larger problem at hand, because one of the biggest reasons that, well, yeah, one of the biggest reasons that this case of such a success is because of the widespread outcry that came from social media and through a black life matter movement. But the thing is this isn't an isolated incident. It happens to many, many people all across the country for the and it's been happening for like the past decades. So they're hundreds of George floors and there are hundreds of Jack shown. So they've never even heard of and they've just been hiding, hidden away, and there's really nothing that has been done about it, and I believe that we need to look, take a good look at the police system and see what we could do to change it. Yeah, I believe you've touched upon this a little bit before, about this Blue Wall of silence. Right, so officers are extremely hesitant to report them and Coulis errors. So how much of a problem do you think that is and how should it be combated? Right? The thing with the Blue Wall silence is I believe it can't be combated, though, amongst the police force. And it's now just in the police force.
You see it in the military as well. There's a sense of camaraderie and sense of authority fit that many people hold. So they believe that reporting their comrades is just wrong and they'd be snitching and it's just a word a fate worse than, you know, being fired, because you know there's a sense of brotherhood that many of these police officers share. You know, they go into the field together. Sometimes it even worsting their lives together. So to just rat out of friend and possibly ruin their lives is something that none of them would want to do. And this is the case like again, as I mentioned, not just in the police force and not just even in the military, like even amongst many criminals, like, you know, honesty amongst thieves. Yeah, I mean honor amongst thieves. Like any people, have a sense of, you know, loyalty to those around them. And I believe, regardless of what we do, regardless of the training, but it's unlikely that we're going to have a system where officers are just going to openly read each other out. And I believe that's just the way things are. Well, I mean with the introduction of body cans, right, I think you've seen pretty like the below, science has been kind of combated bodies body cans, right. So one of the propositions made by some people is a civilian oversight board where basically all of the body can footage from one day of policing goes towards this board of civilians, right, elected officials or appointed officials, who sit through this flusion see if there's anything wrong with it. Right. So do you think that could be an possible solution? I do believe that's a good idea, but the thing is that doesn't really do you want to think for when the officers are in the situations the first place and have to make a split choice decision. So I feel like many officers only go through a couple of weeks of training, where in many other countries they have multiple years of training. So I believe you have to look into that. First, we need to teach better firearms discipline, we need to teach better ways to disengage. Well, I need this does do a lot of police accountability. Its something that a lot of politicians and a lot of people have been asking for quite a lot. So what do you think of that police accountability? I mean, again, a lot of police officers do have immunities and these sorts of scenarios, and I believe that some sort of immunity is required for them to do their jobs properly. Because, again, America is a very dangerous country, regardless of how you look at it, and it may be as sistem medic problem, but it doesn't change the fact that it is very risky for law enforcement in this country. So I believe that we should have some source system to hold police officers accountable. If we go too far. We're not really sure what the implications may be. It may embolden many violent career criminals and who knows where that will lead. I want to bring forth an example of federal intervention in a pretty corrupt police department new ork. That's New Jersey, right so near Casteen. A significant decrease in both violent crime and there's only been, I believe, one police shooting in New York since the deog intervention. So with some of the measures taken by the DALG, such, as you know, reporting, mandated reporting, help combat many of the issues surrounding police and this blew ball of silence, as you talk about. Well, again, I feel like this is a very specific thing. So in order for like larger scale federal intervention in many of these police departments, it would take a lot of effort, manpower and even money.
So mikes, like, the thing is we can't really have one spread out general police department for the entire country. It's just impossible. Pretty much. Yeah, we need to have like some system of locality for many of these police departments, like inventions. We were talking about what the DOJ stepped in and, you know, basically had I guess you can hold them agents direct operations. That are. I believe. The thing with that is I don't really want increase federal involvement to fat Gill, because because it would be a uniform solution for all across America, which just wouldn't work, because they're like rural areas that are urban areas and like. I just don't see how that Leeds the logistics. So that would work. And are many calling for the complete disbandment of many of these police systems, and I believe that too is going to be very difficult. You know, the fish rots from the head down. So I believe you have to look at leadership put the scenes in many of these police systems. You have to look at the training and we have to reform it accordingly, require more years of training in state better leadership physicians, because again, many of these police systems are corrupt in which that this cronyism leadership has been there for like thirty, forty years, and I believe it'd be better if we hand picked officers who are going to be holding their fellow comrade's accountable and we should take from there. Yep, well, you've talked about a little bit about some federal measures that could be taken to come about to reform police right? So, should we take a more bottom up approach to the issue, such as funding social programs, investing the low income neighborhoods and etc. So that the crime never happens? Or should we make or should we take the more direct approach? Right? So that would be better police training, community policing, more non leafal meessent methods of tackling the problem, such as being bag shotguns and converted grenade launchers that shoot sponge runs so like. What do you think about that? As long as we don't live in a utopia, crime is going to happen. The thing is, our system in general is flawed. So many people resort to crime due to their circumstances, due to their surrounding and just out of play need for survival. So if we minimize these cases through better education or affordable housing or access to food, I believe that we'd cut the need for many of these officers to be danger to endanger in the first place. Then, if we better train these officers and if we reform the justice system, which is a whole nother thing, we make shit sure, it would make sure that these situations are dealt with better and all in all that would be in that benefit for society, and I believe that's approach we should take. Makes some both would be the ideal with right. So not a close off this discussion about policing. Do you think, with the current political climate, that such change is possible? That's a pretty loaded question, but it's very it's a very polarizing topic. There are many people that will, you know, on Cope back the blue no matter what, and there are some people calling for absolute anarchy, you know, disbetment of all please, and that also is...
...been very absurd. So it's going to be really difficult to get anything done because these are reflected in our government. I believe there is place for compromise and if people actually put their priority straight, we'd be able to get things done. That's that's a fair response to the question. So now for our last topic, and probably the shortest topic here, Covid you know, with vaccines, I've been ruling out these are looking up for its now almosts all this in two years of Covid so we're here. Yeah, Whoa people will at the numbers for the vaccinations. Almost forty four percent of American populations has received at least one dose. That's a hundred forty six million people and at least thirty per thirty. One point two percent has been fully vaccinated. So that's a hundred three thousand, hundred three million people actually. So these numbers are great. So we're receiving we're approaching the point where, including them out of fully vaccinated, including the amount that have already developed community through being infected, we're reaching the point where there's going to be heard immunity and the pandemic will hopefully suit we now. So I believe that things will start to get normal by the end of this year, hopefully. You know, schools will reopen fully. In fact, I believe that New York is slated to open fully by June first. So that's a take to look forward to. And you know, things are looking up. endemics almost over. Its great, just drinks the entire thing. So we know. Have you been basting the personally, yeah, I've received the first dose. aready wiser the fire of the fiser and I will eventually be fully vaccinated. So that's looking great. But the thing is, I said, don't with this dose of optimism. We have to look elsewhere. So if you look in the situation India right now. It's really bad. We may have thought that our governments during the covid situation was bad, but over there it's even worse. You know, government is confiscating oxygen that has been donated from external sources just to give it to the rich and powerful, where while the poor or turned away from hospitals, dying on the streets. Morgues are overflowing. There's not even enough space to burn anyone and the situation is just really bad. And this is what happens when you have a government that just would rather send people to space rather than have places for people to defecate properly. And it's honestly just a really bad situation. There more aptitude those that administration is far beyond whatever we experuse your trump so, you know, simply another simple question. Why is vaccination important? You know, why can't just achieve her immunity? Well, if we didn't vaccinate herd immunity would take like what, three, four, five, who knows how long to achieve a through things such as vaccination. People are being immune. They don't have to wear masks anymore, which is obviously a great thing. I don't see how bad masks are, but people hate it and it's just easier. You know, it's it. It makes it quicker for her total herd immunity to be achieved. The thing is many people can't be vaccinated because they're allergic or they have some sort of medical issues with better for our society as a whole. If you can get vaccinated, you do get vaccinated. You're like mcgovernment doesn't care enough about you to micro chip you. Like less. We reallyre you already have your phone tracking everywhere you go. The government already knows enough about you if they wanted to. And...
...also it's physically impossible for there to be an actual my group chip and planted was syringe. It's just ridiculous. Just get vaccinated, we fine and we'll be back to normal as soon as final we have to say to those who are vaccine hasitants with anti vaccine well, and it's just a fear of unknown or sometimes even a fear of just big government in general, and that I do understand. Now, big farm they want to ruin us, I could see that. But the thing is very few people have, like even in sick these vaccines. Like most people I've met just have had a sore arm for like a couple hours and they're fine. Yes, so I feel that these fears are unfounded and are always going to be a sort of set certain group of people that are going to be contrary and, like O, they're even still flatter through it's after we went to space. So as long as we have the majority of people believing in science and believing reason, I believe we as a society will do fine. Let's hope in the end it will work out well. Let's all that we have for today. Hopefully enjoyed this little installment and will see you in the next one.
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